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Subj: Fwd: Freeland Chew's Article in Vol. 122, No. 4
From: TCNbP

I liked the concern shown about 2nd amendment rights on page 40. It appears that Congress is attempting to override the Constitution with legislation. Tax protesters (or whatever they might want to have themselves called) assert that the Constitution takes precedence over legislation and that unconstitutional legislation is not law. It is sad enough when second-rate clerks in the IRS do not know this. It is terribly sad indeed when elected Congress persons do not know it. The only thing sadder than that will be the look on the face of those who try to enforce it when they meet the inevitable resistance, which I seriously doubt will take the form of civil disobedience.*

If the Constitution was not adequately taught in public schools, then I am delighted to find that Truth Seeker occasionally mentions it in pertinent, accurate, and responsible relation to current events.

I read Chew's article at the front already and the article on 2nd amendment at the back. I also saw Szuter's article "Has the Constitution Failed Us?" I agree with the gist of that, though I would have said that we have failed ourselves and each other by our ignorance of it. Will Szuter's solution work any better if no one knows how to participate?

Whatever, looks like a bang-up good issue. I can't wait to get to the rest of it. Keep up the good work.

Regards,
Dennis Crick

*worst of all is when the U.S. Supreme Court doesn't know it.


Subj: Restrictions by Net Services
From: frankl2@ix.netcom.com (Frank Mortyn)


I think the censorship by AOL and then CompuServe needs to be regarded very seriously as a potential threat to freethought.

The content, regarded by many as "smut," is not the point. What is truly alarming is the spineless capitulation of AOL to Baptist ministers and of Compu-Serve to a foreign government.

If they can eliminate an entire area of newsgroups on whim, or to pamper a pressure group, then maybe Freethought will be next to go. The Vatican says: "We don't like Humanism!" — and CompuServe surrenders without a shot fired!

I think it is imperative that freethinkers look to developing their own independent registered domains and Net server on-ramps.

Editor's Note: Atheist victims of the Baptist minister have taken refuge in the ACLU area of AOL. "Spineless capitulation" may actually be abysmal ignorance or indifference.

— WBL


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To:infidel@freethought.tamu.edu Subject Children
From: Steve smann@dlampro.com

Can you suggest some reading I may do to explain to my Kindergarden age daughter about this god person her classmates keep referring to? Thanks



Subj: Re: Children
X-From: JohnE45@aol.com


There are several children's books, but all are too advanced for Kindergarten I think.

There is "What About God(s)" that shows the various ones and why people believe in them. There is Dan Barker's "Maybe Yes, Maybe No" about skepticism.... still for 3rd grade up I think, and another of his, I forgot the title now, but still in that age group. I have been thinking about doing some very simple ones for that age group. Thanks for the boost.

John Edwards




Subj: Re: Children
X-From (stephen) trajant@cwis.unomaha.edu


Actually, the best thing to read is a children's book of myth. Really, any should do. You can explain to her that people for a long time have believed in people more powerful than themselves, with magical powers and such. The god her friends refer to is just like these, and they, like all those people before them, believe as they did, only they believe in a different magical person. If you can, get her a book of myth she's able to look at and read on her own. I can understand what you're going through — I'm the father of two boys, one seven and the other five. If anything I've learned /not/ to hide anything from them, but to be as honest as possible with 'em. It's been a little trying sometimes; for example, the eldest asked why we didn't go to church. My wife explained that we knew all there was about god, and that church wasn't much use for people like us. He took this quite well and, even better, he tells his friends he needs only ask his parents and they'll tell him all he wants to know. I also have taken them to church. Now, some atheists may object to taking their kids to a church, given that the institutions like to preach so much. I say, eh, take 'em to the local Unitarian church, where they get exposed to all sorts of beliefs (the Unitarians have a fair number of atheists in their ranks.) The point is, do let your kid(s) know about gods, but treat the gods like people, not objects of worship. It'll be fine.


:) stephen B^)

... keeping company with those who are searching for truth, and running from those who have found it...



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Subj: Re: Children
(fwd)X-From: (Fred Edwords) ap818@Free Net. Buffalo.EDU


I had this same problem with my children. How do you explain to a child a concept that is actually meaningless but which so many others claim to believe? Since my kids watched "Heman" cartoons, I just said that "God" was sort of like "He-man," only he controlled the whole universe. And like '`He-man," he was a fictional character. The main difference was that people actually believe in "God." That seemed to do the trick. Over time I have rendered the concept a bit more sophisticated by bringing in myths of the Greek gods. Since such myths are readily available in children's books, there's no need for atheists and humanists to write special books themselves. Presently my two children, ages 10 and 11, find the whole god concept meaningless, though one of them is wracking her brain over the issues of endless vs. finite universe and universe-with-a-beginning vs. universe that has always existed. But that's where philosophical thoughtfulness will lead one.


Fred Edwords

American Humanist Association 1-800 743 6646
P.O. Box 1188
Amherst, NY 1422-7188 USA

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Dear Ms. Lange,

In your and Marti Kranzberg's reply to Mr. Nahigian in the Cyberspace Postings (Vol.122, No.4), you show the same dosed-mindedness you claim the Truth Seeker is trying to dispel. You indicate you won't have any articles espousing a racist viewpoint. This is in itself a form of censorship, implying there will not be a full presentation of viewpoints on matters relating to race in the Truth Seeker. It seems you're not exempt from political correctness. Your slights to Mr. Johnson are not appreciated, and your unwillingness to search for the missing copies of the Truth Seeker indicates a disinterest hard to fathom in a Freethinker.

Outside of the race subject, Mr. Johnson has keen insights on other subjects and his writings, at times, showed flashes of brilliance. Besides the government and organized religion, the medical establishment controls the minds of the populace in an omnipresent way. Mr. Johnson exposed the source of this mind control and led the path to health freedom in his deep understanding of what exactly is health and how it is attained. I would like to see all forms of mind control exposed, not merely the political and religious.

Sincerely yours,
Sidney Secular Silver Spring, MD





Dear Sidney,

As always
our readers are welcome to send us racist material, and if your point is valid it most certainly will be considered. I personally find that it does not promote understanding or tolerance of other human beings and serves no purpose in bettering ourselves or the world. We did not mean to slight Mr. Johnson by inferring that we have little interest in continuing that type of editorial. We are currently developing an area in our Freethought Forum on AOL and the Internet where articles and letters that we don't have room for in the journal can be posted. This area will be titled along the lines of "Things We Couldn't Print." I hope you are not offended by this inference.

You misunderstand the fact that we do not have copies of The Truth Seeker that were published during Mr. Johnson's ownership. We have been searching for any back issues of our publication. My point was that it is interesting that they were all torched and not available to me for perusal. We most certainly would love to have them for our archives. Know where we can get some
copies? — MK


Whoops — the last line of Jim Lorenz's cyberspace posting in Vol.122, No. 4 got deleted to some digital purgatory. His point should have read:

Remember that the Monroe Doctrine is a unilateral United States assertion of policy. It is not a treaty.

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